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Navigating Today’s Signs: An Interview with Mies Hora

Mies Hora has been a sign and symbol maven for many years and his company, Ultimate Symbol, has published a number of the most frequently used free-source books and CDs. His recent Official Signs & Icons 2 is a veritable encyclopedia of ubiquitous design. Hora has collected complete sets of household, streetwise, industrial and medical signs–some cautionary, many life-saving. In this interview, he discusses the role of icons in everyday life and the need for sign literacy.

Heller:
You have been a signs and symbols obsessive for quite some time. What is the reason for this interest?

Hora:
My sensibilities were forged through immersion in my parents’ Charles-and-Ray-Eames-like environment, an alternate universe of visual communication with its own language of form, function, color and symbols. I know of few serious designers who aren't utterly fascinated by the possibilities of communicating meaning without the use of words or letterforms. What we’re really talking about is semiology, or the study and use of signs and symbols, and what they signal.

Heller:
This is one of the most exhaustive compilations of highway, safety, international icons, even Braille signs and symbols I've ever seen. How easy or difficult was it to gather this material?

Hora:
One would think that highly organized information about established systems like Braille would be easily accessible, but I found that not to be so in most cases. Reliable data is surprisingly fragmentary, dated, incorrect and hard to dig up.

Heller:
Is this the first inclusive resource?

Hora:
I see my effort as a modern descendent of references like Henry Dreyfuss' Symbol Sourcebook and Rudolf Modley's Handbook of Pictorial Symbols, both of which are 30 or more years old. The significant difference is that instead of simply collecting, reporting and displaying material in various degrees of reproduction quality—rough drawings, thumbnails, sketches, Photostats—in a printed document, I am providing existing and newly minted source material in electronic format for immediate use by design professionals in their work. The bar is exponentially higher when the reproduction standard is artwork in a clean, precise, vector-based EPS format that accurately presents the officially sanctioned originals.

Heller:
How long did it take to get it right?

Hora:
Official Signs & Icons 2 is the result of a 12-year evolutionary process. I have been fortunate to be at the receiving end of support, assistance, and ideas from the tightly-knit design community including renowned logo and environmental designers such as Roger Cook, Tom Geismar, Steff Geissbuhler, Karen Louis, Don Meeker, Paul Mijksenaar, Roger Whitehouse and Lance Wyman, all of whom helped provide me access to symbol artwork originals.

Heller:
We are all aware of the DOT symbols created by the AIGA. Who are some of the other designers responsible for the more ubiquitous images such as the mile marker or nautical signs and symbols?

Hora: While most signs and symbols are the result of anonymous and unheralded governmental, institutional, or corporate committees and employees, there are notable exceptions. Claude Chappe, an engineer, developed the semaphore telegraph for the French Army in the late 18th century. His concept was adapted and refined by engineers for the railway and by communications experts in the U.S. Navy. A 15-year old named Louis Braille introduced his new alphabet in 1824, and it is virtually unchanged today. Roger Whitehouse, working with Peter Reedijk (and others) came up with the well-known modern handicap-accessible wheelchair symbol. Donald T. Meeker, of Meeker and Associates, has been working for decades with the National Park Service to completely redesign and update its comprehensive symbol signs system, one of the finest available. Look for them in a park near you.

Heller: Otto Neurath is probably the father of this kind of humanistic iconography, but who, for example, is responsible for the electrical icons so common today, and for the DVD, FireWire, USB and other commercial logos that you've collected?

Hora:
Logos for proprietary technologies are usually developed by in-house designers (as was the case with Apple's FireWire) and are usually disseminated on the web. In general, developing technical consensus on an international scale is an enormous and complex operation. Organizations such as ISO (International Organization for Standardization), IEC (International Electrotechnical Commission) and JEITA (Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association) develop technical agreements that provide the framework for compatible technology worldwide. For example, ISO is a network of the national standards institutes in 150 countries. In all, there are some 3,000 ISO technical groups (technical committees, subcommittees, working groups, etc.) in which some 50,000 experts participate annually to develop ISO standards. The work is carried out by experts on loan from the industrial, technical and business sectors that have asked for the standards, and that subsequently put them to use. These experts may be joined by others with relevant knowledge, such as representatives of government agencies, consumer organizations, academia and testing laboratories.

As in most standards, it is the message content that is the key element being agreed upon and published, not the final rendering. The symbols are intended to be interpreted within guidelines and adapted for use in varying reproduction processes, such as printing, hot stamping and injection molding. Tim K. Murphy, a former IBM employee and member of a corporate symbol standards technical committee, was helpful in providing me with the general criteria and guidance used for the development and production of the electronic and mechanical labeling symbols in this book, some of which he was responsible for developing. I personally hired designer/illustrators and art directed the rendering in vector format of 1,000-plus ISO/IEC electronic and mechanical symbols so that they would be consistent with those guidelines in form and execution.

Heller:
Were there any signs or symbols that you did not include, perhaps those that represented inappropriate language or activity?

Hora:
There are many humorous and scatological signs and symbols that would obviously never make it into an officially sanctioned sign or labeling system. Note that the official American Sign Language system does not include a hand sign with just a middle finger. We removed a National Socialist Party swastika from Design Elements, however, after repeated calls from offended parties. Pointing out that the Nazi emblem is a perennial favorite of book cover designers did not mollify the offended.

Heller: Decades ago, I never saw the diagonal "no" line in signs in the United States, while in Europe they were common. Now they're rather ubiquitous here too. What makes a sign uniquely American?

Hora:
Interestingly, our best known signs, the United States road sign system (as depicted in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices [MUTCD]), is probably one of the least effective from a global, non-verbal standpoint. We still have far too many word messages, like "exit closed," which is precarious for non-English speaking foreign travelers. As pointed out recently by Deborah Row, an information designer who has traveled widely photographing road signage overseas for years, even so called under-developed countries rely more on pictorial symbols to navigate. The wisdom of the UNCRT (United Nations Conference on Road and Motor Transports) Protocol on Road Signs and Signals guideline used throughout most of the world is that it is designed to avoid just such confusion and misapprehension. Canadian road signs are based on the U.S. system. The Canadians, like us, have begun to introduce alternate signs using the metric system of measurements in accordance with their continuing integration of European nomenclature. America's great sign systems, such as the AIGA/DOT and National Park Service Recreational Symbols, have become benchmarks for clarity and simplicity, influences that have definitely found their way into the signage approach in other countries.

Heller:
What are the legalities inherent in safety or hospitality symbol signs? Is there a standards granting body?

Hora:
Like the development of most modern symbol and sign systems, safety symbol standardization is an evolutionary process that never ceases. Progress is driven by the review, revision and publication at regular intervals of national and international guidelines or standards. While these standards provide guidelines for symbol creation and use, interestingly, they are voluntary and not a legal requirement. In practice, however, the standards are essentially mandatory. In the United States, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) developed the Hazardous Material Transportation Regulations (HMR) to promote the safe transportation of hazardous materials (HAZMAT). American standards on equipment and products sold in the United States are produced by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). One problem that has arisen is that the international (ISO) and American (ANSI) standards are not always consistent. The bringing together of various standards requirements so that a given set of symbols or standards are unified is called ”harmonization.”

Although optional, the ISO standards have the advantage of recognizing that symbols alone have the ability to communicate across language barriers, whereas the American standards still specify the use of symbols and worded messages for safety signs. While encouraged, the ANSI and ISO symbol standards do not require the use of the basic, but crudely drawn symbols that are provided as examples. What is agreed is that the image content is more important than the formalities of the artwork. While the existing standards provide voluntary graphic guidelines, they also make clear that it is advisable to utilize or develop safety symbols that are designed, wherever possible, as elements of a consistent visual system.

Heller: So, your goal was to ?

Hora:
My intent was to make available a visually consistent, harmonized system of symbols that can be used on labels and signs both in the United States and abroad. Strangely, this had not yet been done at a high level of graphic excellence. My research turned up nothing but a hodge-podge of stylistic and cultural variations. So, after choosing the image content, symbols from both international and American sources were carefully organized into a logical system. Many symbols were then graphically refined to conform with an established design style using the AIGA/DOT Transportation and NPS Recreational Symbols as models. I worked with my own designers to develop new, previously non-existent images for many safety symbols, including a complete new set of mandatory personal protective equipment symbols.

Heller: Is there a symbol set for virtually everything that needs to be communicated?

Hora:
I discovered in 1999 that no internationally accepted or comprehensive reference symbol set existed for the vast global hotel and lodging industry. The result is that accommodation firms design their own varied (and branded) visual communications for many of the same activities and facilities, sometimes basing them on outdated source material.

Heller:
With the plethora of signs you've gathered here, is there really any room for new ones?

Hora:
Absolutely! The process of research, collection and reproduction is continuous, as systems are updated, developed and/or are simply brought to my attention. I am already gathering material for the next edition which will include updates to existing systems such as new transportation signs recently implemented by the Port Authority of NY & NJ, a much-needed medical symbol system currently being developed, and internationally recognized symbols for astronomy, mapping, proofreader marks, mathematics and musical notation, just for starters. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. For more information, visit Ultimate Products.

FIGURES

[1] Official Signs & Icons 2: Book and CD
[2] Volume 1 - Highway Signs I: U.S. (MUTCD)
[3] Volume 2 - Highway Signs II: International (UNCRT)
[4] Volume 3 - Symbol Signs: Recreation (SEGD)
[5] Volume 4 - Symbol Signs: Transport I (AIGA/DOT)
[6] Volume 5 - Symbol Signs: Transport II (TCRP/DOT)
[7] Volume 6 - Hospitality Symbol Signs System (APEC)
[8] Volume 7 - Safety Symbols Labeling (DOT/ANSI/ISO)
[9] Volume 8 - International Icons I: Electronic Labeling (ISO/IEC/JEITA)
[10] Volume 9 - International Icons II: Mechanical Labeling (ISO/IEC)
[11] Volume 10 - Signals Braille (ADA)
[12] Volume 11 - Meteorological Symbols (WMO)

About the Author: Steven Heller's most recent book is Merz to Emigre and Beyond: Avant Garde Magazine Design of the Twentieth Century (Phaidon Press) and The Education of a Comics Artist co-edited with Michael Dooley (Allworth Press). His forthcoming book is The Education of a Graphic Designer, Second Edition (Allworth Press).

  1. link to this comment by DesignMaven Tue Dec 13, 2005

    Steve and Mies thank you for a very informative and enlightening discussion on Semiotics.
    The Language of Symbols and Signs.
    Subject matter close to my Heart being an Identity Designer/Consultant and Brand Evangelist.

    Heartfelt Appreciation Mr. Hora for your Contribution to the Betterment to our Visual Environment. Albeit, being a Monumental and Encyclopedic Task.

    Initially, I was going to ask my Daughter to bring me my RED PENCIL.
    After re-reading the Interview with better understanding, I'll keep my Trusty RED PENCIL in hand, don't think I'll need it. It's at Ease Resting Behind my Ear, Just in Case!!!!

    First and Foremost, the First International Standards
    Organization was GYLPHS Inc. in association with ICOGRADA, The International Council of Graphic Design Associations.

    Brief History:

    GYLPHS, Inc. formed in the 1960s was an Organization formed to encourage the development of Universal Graphic Symbols. The concept for such a symbol was suggested by noted Anthropologist Margret Mead. And presented in 1964 to the United Nations by a Canadian Delegation as part of a program of International Cooperation Year. The organization was formed shortly thereafter with Margret Mead and Rudolph Modley as co-chairman. Other Directors were Professor Harold Lasswell, Yale University, James R. Patton Jr. Counsel, Curtis Roosevelt, United Nations, and Emily O. Barnes, Secretary.

    ICOGRADA, Commission on International Signs and Symbols consisted of Colin Clipson (USA), Masaru Katzumie (Japan), Marting Krampen (Germany), Peter Kneeborn (U.K.), Tomas Maldanoma (Italy).
    The International Graphic Symbols were Developed to incorporate a limited number of Graphic Symbols, with Single and Clear Meanings for Worldwide use.

    Before there were no International Standard for Graphic Symbols. At airports around the world. We had a communication mess on our hands.

    The International Symbols has gone through two incarnations. The last being Developed by the United States Department of Transportation in Washington D.C.

    The DOT Glyphs were Encouraged by the Federal Design Improvement Program 1972 founded by the National Endowment of the Arts.
    Designed by Cook & Shanosky Associates in association with AIGA.

    Anyone wanting a Copy of Cook & Shanosky's Signs and Symbols can download a copy I posted on Speak Up. Link below.

    http://www.underconsideration.com/random/maven_symbol_signs.jpg


    Mies, please correct me if I'm wrong, Although Cook & Shanosky's Pictograms have been most enduring. Have they not been recently redesigned by another Consultancy???

    I thought I saw an Article on this in a Design Publication.

    Yes, Symbols Transcend Language. At least the BEST Symbols accomplish this.
    Quoted from Mies Hora:

    My comments follow the quoted sentences or paragraphs

    "What is agreed is that the image content is more important than the formalities of the artwork".

    Mies, this used to be the Consensus of the Founding Fathers of Corporate Identity.

    The Essence of Corporate Identity and Identity Design is Reducing Symbols, Glyphs, Pictograms, Monograms, Monoseals, Seals, Ideograms to their BAREST ESSENTIAL!!!!!

    With Legibility in Mind and utmost Important.

    The same is True for Glyphs, Pictograms and Pictographs i.e. International Signs and Symbols.

    It is Imperative in the Organization of a Universal Visual Language that Glyphs, Pictograms and Pictographs Clarify, Synthesize and Disseminate Information.
    Very much akin to Corporate Identity. Signs and Symbols are Designed with Longevity in Mind, 10-20 years or longer.

    Unfortunately, Corporate Identity has become a Victim of Mergers, Acquisitions, Marketing and Communication Professionals not Respecting the Design Process.

    At the same time, Pulling the Cart before the Horse.
    Meaning, Communication of Design Objectives used to by Paramount in Identity Design.

    1. Memorability
    2. Usability
    3. Livability
    4. Uniqueness
    5. Imaginative
    6. Visual Impact
    7. Propriety

    The above Reference are Design Objective that Constitute Successful Trademark and Identity Design.

    International Symbols or Glyphs and Pictograms only need to address Memorability, Usability and Livability. Which concern themselves with Recollection, Reproduction and Longevity.
    Unfortunately, Ornamentation and Software Filter Quackery will soon Destroy Corporate Identity.

    With all the three Dimensional Logos and Trademarks. Now a younger Generation of Designer(s) insist that Logos and Trademarks need to look Good for the Internet and Cell Phones.

    What they don't understand, they're talking about Cosmetics and not Communication.

    If we are not Careful, Corporate Identity will soon become the resurgence of Commercial Art. Where emphasis is on Window Dressing and not Communication. Corporate Identity is a Communication Problem. Not a Fashion Show of the Latest Scott Kelby Dirty Commercial Art Software Filter Tricks Quackery.

    No disrespect intended to Scott Kelby.

    Corporate Identities must be Developed and Designed with Brevity and Wit.

    Since the Passing of Saul Bass and Paul Rand 1996.
    Wit is no longer a Factor in Identity Design. Brevity once Paramount, is not replaced with 3-D' ing, Ornamentation and Software Filter Quackery.
    My point of contention, Identities only need to Communicate the Essence of the Corporation or Brand which they've always done since the invention of Television within two dimensions.

    Television is still the most Powerful Selling Medium of All and that will not change.
    2 Dimensional Trademarks have worked on Screen for Television since it's inception. The Computer Screen or Cell Phone Screen is no Different.

    Traditionally, Trademarks were Conceived and Designed 2 Dimensionally. The Better Designed 2 Dimensional Marks always had VISUAL IMPACT. It was Mandatory by Designers and Clients that 2 Dimensional Trademarks Translate to Kinetic Media as well as Print. Without question Successful 2 Dimensional Trademarks Performed beyond Expectation in all Media.The Overwhelming Characteristic of Successful and Well Designed Identities is that the Trademarks on which they were Conceived and Implemented keep those relationships in mind.

    A well Conceived, Developed and Designed Identity has to be Recognized at a Glance. As well when put through several Distortion Test Showing Movement, Motion, Reduction and Enlargement. Successful 2 Dimensional Identities adhered to this Standard, Successful 3 Dimensional Identities will not. Because they are not Reduced to their BAREST ESSENTIAL with LEGIBILITY IN MIND.

    Mr. Hora, I Trust the Governing Bodies of the International Standards Organization for Glyphs and Pictograms will not allow Internatioan Symbols to Succumb to the Quackery Corporate Identity has Succumb!!!!!!

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    "Donald T. Meeker, of Meeker and Associates, has been working for decades with the National Park Service to completely redesign and update its comprehensive symbol signs system, one of the finest available. Look for them in a park near you".

    The National Park Service is an Agency of The Department of Interior. Under the Federal Design Improvement Program, 1972, Chermayeff & Geismar Developed and Designed the Environmental Protection Agency Identity. As well, Developed and Designed the Identity for The Department of Interior and the National Park Service.

    At that time, Chermayeff & Geismar was also retained to Revitalized Road Signs.

    Massimo Vignelli Developed and Designed the now Legendary National Park Service Publications.

    Unfortunately, Chermayeff & Geismar's Omnipotent and Ubiquitous Identities for the National Park Service and the Department of Interior were allowed to Deteriorate over time.

    Which is a Major, Major Problem with Government Agencies. Albeit, their lack of Understanding and Commitment to Identity Design.

    The Identity has since been Redesigned by a Female Designer from Virginia. Her name excapes me at this writing. At least she took Credit for redesign. Which is essentially a Revitalization of an earlier Identity which can be found on The Park Service Website, top right corner.

    http://www.nps.gov /

    The Revitalization of a 1951 Hideous and Horrid Rendering of a Scene with a Tree, Mountain Scape and Buffalo at the bottom Rendered on a faux Wooden Plaque Incorporated in the Logo.

    How is this Progress???

    How is this Identity Relevant today???
    There are no Buffalo's Roaming Urban, Suburban and Inner-city Parks.

    That Image was not Relevant in 1951 when it was incorporated and is certainly is not Relevant in the 21 Century.

    The Imagery is only Relevant 'Where The Buffalo Roam'.
    No Pun Intended. I'm talking about an enclosed sanction dedicated to the survival of a species.

    Not trying to get Political, the Imagery also undermines
    America's Relationship with the American Indian.
    Whom Nurtured and Cultivated this Great Land.

    Although, I understand the Historic Significance of the Imagery in the Symbol. It is Better off in retirement.

    I Trust this is not the work of Donald T. Meeker Associates. :-D
    I visited their website. Site is under construction.
    Hopefully, Meeker Associates will Permanently Retire the Image.
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    "America's great sign systems, such as the AIGA/DOT and National Park Service Recreational Symbols, have become benchmarks for clarity and simplicity, influences that have definitely found their way into the signage approach in other countries".

    I've only seen the Recreational Symbols Developed and Designed by Chermayeff & Geismar circa 1970s. The only Image I see is that Hideous Reincarnated Image from 1951 of an earlier Rendering, now Parading as the National Park Service Identity. I live in a very Affluent Neighborhood in D.C. on the Southwest Waterfront. I can walk across the street where I live on the Waterfront, The Potomac River. Where there is a very large Park with Harbor Patrol as far as the Eyes can see.

    All I see is very Poorly Designed Directional Signs which was implemented at least six months to eight months ago.
    And that Hideous 1951 Illustration of the National Park Service Identity which was implemented circa 1999 or 2000.

    The Directional Signs aren't even Accurate.

    I honestly cannot inform you if the Directional Signs were Designed by the National Park Service or The District of Columbia Public Works Department.
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    "The Canadians, like us, have begun to introduce alternate signs using the metric system of measurements in accordance with their continuing integration of European nomenclature".

    Mies, What Role is ICOGRADA and/or Canada Playing in the Development and Design of New International Symbols???
    They were in the ForeFront of the Movement in the beginning. Curious to learn their Role in the 21 Century.
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    Heller: "Otto Neurath is probably the father of this kind of humanistic iconography".
    Just for you Steve:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.aiap.it/asso/attivita/2003/isotype/neurath.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Disotype%2Bzaruba%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DG

    Other Links on Symbols and Signage.

    Thanks to my Brethren over at Typhophile whom had a Discussion on this subject matter this year.

    Otl Aicher

    http://www.biza-project.de/otl/start.htm

    http://www.piktogramm.com/no_sw/en_index.html

    Webstream Magazine, Lance Wyman.

    http://art.webesteem.pl/9/wyman_en.php
    AIGA Download of Cook and Shanosky Symbols with History.

    http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?ContentAlias=symbolsigns

    Sinage Systems

    http://www.designofsignage.com/application/symbol/building/symbolspage4.html

    Recommended Reading by Norbert Florendo.

    Good book on GUI by William Horton.

    Icon Book: Visual Symbols for Computer Systems and Documentation.
    http://www.classicsys.com/classic_site/cfm/books.cfm?ID=111&topic=GUI%20Design

    Last and surely not least is Ellen Lupton and J. Abbott Miller's Book.

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    Special Thanks to Norbert Florendo, Ryan and Thomas Lowry for the above links. From a Discussion Typophile had on International Signs and Symbols.

    Season Greetings.

    DM

  2. link to this comment by DesignMaven Tue Dec 13, 2005

    Follow Up:

    How could I forget???!!!

    Ellen Lupton and J. Abbott Miller's Book.
    Design Writing Research.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0714838519/qid=1121466541/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4233047-6302257?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

    Contains examples of Semiotics and Semantics.

    DM

  3. link to this comment by Joshua Hammari Tue Apr 17, 2007

    Understanding of meanings behind the current NPS logo and a brief history of the same can be found at:

    http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/workman1b/volf.htm

    While not of the modernist mind, I find today's "arrowhead" logo appealing. I do feel however, that a better system of conveying information may be more necessary than a more legible typeface in improving wayfinding.
    -JH

  4. link to this comment by Canuk Fri May 18, 2007

    Interesting article. I found it while looking for road sign material.

    "Canadian road signs are based on the U.S. system."
    Says you. I've travelled to quite a few destinations around the world and driven in most of them. They look the same. Were you referring to the shape or the colour :).

    "The Canadians, like us, have begun to introduce alternate signs using the metric system of measurements in accordance with their continuing integration of European nomenclature."
    Actually, we got rid of the last Imperial-based measurements in the 80's. Canada succeeded in "metrification." The U.S. did not.

    Oh, and it's international nomenclature, not European. The U.S. agreed to use it like the rest of us, they just don't (well, multi-nationals are these days because the rest of the world didn't leave them a choice).

  5. link to this comment by Alex Mon Feb 18, 2008

    I've only seen the Recreational Symbols Developed and Designed by Chermayeff & Geismar circa 1970s. The only Image I see is that Hideous Reincarnated Image from 1951 of an earlier Rendering, now Parading as the National Park Service Identity. I live in a very Affluent Neighborhood in D.C. on the Southwest Waterfront. I can walk across the street where I live on the Waterfront, The Potomac River. Where there is a very large Park with Harbor Patrol as far as the Eyes can see.

  6. link to this comment by jo presse Wed Feb 20, 2008

    From a Discussion Typophile had on International Signs and Symbols. The International Symbols has gone through two incarnations. The last being Developed by the German Department of Transportation in Frankfurt.

    regards

  7. link to this comment by Soliloquybooks Mon Feb 25, 2008

    After buying a really cheap book on a brief history of graphic design I was intrested to read about the Isotype system which emerged out of experiments with international signage (airports etc) The system was purely visual and met the objective of trying to be understandable by any culture. Thanks for article!

  8. link to this comment by Emo Hair Sat Mar 08, 2008

    I'm quite surprised it only took 12 years for the Official Signs & Icons to be right; such an exemplary book must have been very laborious to write.

  9. link to this comment by tom Thu Mar 20, 2008

    such discussions are very useful. it's really surprising it took 12 years. Thank you for the article. keep up the great work.

  10. link to this comment by orgu Fri Mar 28, 2008

    Topic is so familiar to me. Actually in whole my life I tried to see the "real" behind the scenes. To understand the signs...that's the problem...

  11. link to this comment by teknoloji tasar?m Sat Mar 29, 2008

    Interesting article. I found it while looking for road sign material. i agree with you friend

  12. link to this comment by Kevin Wwright Tue Apr 01, 2008

    Thank you for sharing the info.

  13. link to this comment by Organic SEO Wed Apr 02, 2008

    Where would we be without signs and symbols. We'd all be going in circles.

    Great interview

  14. link to this comment by paul21m Wed Apr 16, 2008

    A 12-year evolutionary process? Wow, that is quite long. The signs at Japan are so much harder to understand and funny sometimes.

  15. link to this comment by Barton Thu May 01, 2008

    yeah, it's quite a long process

  16. link to this comment by Brian Mon May 05, 2008

    the interview was very impressiv but much more amazing is DesignMaven comment (btw. is it longer than the original post? :) all together pretty interesting. it would be a long process but the time will show...

  17. link to this comment by emo girls boys hair Tue May 06, 2008

    I enjoyed the book by Ellen Lupton as it helps me understand those supposedly universal signs and symbols that we see almost everyday and as well as other elements of design.

  18. link to this comment by Gunther Wed May 07, 2008

    i dunno mies hora but the name is really funny. mies = german for something like "bad", hora = spain for "hour". together: "bad hour"? :) i enjoyed the "hour" reading that interview and it wasn´t bad, much more than that it was very useful for me. a nice "behind the scene" look.

  19. link to this comment by komik resimler Thu May 08, 2008

    Interesting article. I found it while looking for road sign material. i agree with you friend

  20. link to this comment by iddaa Thu May 08, 2008

    From a Discussion Typophile had on International Signs and Symbols. The International Symbols has gone through two incarnations. The last being Developed by the German Department of Transportation in Frankfurt.

  21. link to this comment by Buerohengst Thu May 22, 2008

    Very interesting interview. the most questions that I would ask mies hora are already asked. thats very funny, it feels for me like I had made the interview (never had that before) maybe Steven and i had some "soul-relationship"? :)
    @Gunther: funny with the "bad hour" ... btw. "Heller" means in german something like "lighter" ;-)

  22. link to this comment by Tobi Auto Sun May 25, 2008

    Mies Hora is a genius. Mies Hora (Mies van der Rohe) had a long career in the field of design, he worked on corporate identity, advertising, positioning, environmental design and photography. Being a college professor of design and typography and dedicating nearly his whole life working on design, signs and symbols, his whole life is commited to "an alternate universe of visual communication with its own language of form, function, color and symbols." and "the possibilities of communicating meaning without the use of words or letterforms." Being president of Ultimate Symbol Inc. his lifework in the field of signs and symbols is enormous. Great Interview!

  23. link to this comment by Paul Push Tue Jun 03, 2008

    hmm Mies sounds like the name of a woman ... (that is what i thought first) shame on me i didn´t know Mies Hora before :( but after reading the interview a get a clear picture about Mr. Hora and i must say thank you for "enlighting" me, without the interview i would miss on of the greatest designers. "learn everyday something new".

  24. link to this comment by Hermann Tue Jun 10, 2008

    Really a very big effort to create these set of icons and images. But it is good invested for a better communication all over the world.

  25. link to this comment by resimcim Sun Jun 15, 2008

    the interview was very impressiv but much more amazing is DesignMaven comment

  26. link to this comment by Scott Thu Jun 19, 2008

    Thank you for sharing such an insightful interview. I am very intrigued by the study of effective communication without the use of words, particulary through the use of Braille. Having read this article, I now have a much broader understanding as to how symbols and icons can also play an effective role. Thank you to Mies Hora for his tremendous effort in researching and and documenting this so well, through his many publications.

  27. link to this comment by kevin Wed Jul 09, 2008

    Very good article by Steven Heller about Mies Hora what a great interview Indeed Thank you for sharing

  28. link to this comment by Werner Faymann Tue Sep 02, 2008

    Interesting fact, though, is that the long-lasting symbol of the handicapped wheel chair has undergone some noteworthy modifications during its inclusion into the icon set of Windows Vista. It looks like a tilt-up bithday cake much more than the original design.

    I'm slightly curious if this modification is an expression of (misunderstood) political correctness.

  29. link to this comment by Arjun Wed Oct 01, 2008

    Well, I think it is important to discuss the role of icons in everyday life and the need for sign literacy. Nowadays we can't imagine our posts without "smiles".

  30. link to this comment by Breast Enlargement Site Wed Oct 08, 2008

    I find it interesting your article. You can't imagine our daily life without signs and symbols. You know I have never thought about their meaning in our life but now I'm interested in it and I think that I will analyze this system from the other point of you.

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