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The Science of Stereotyping: An Interview with Elizabeth and Stuart Ewen

Elizabeth and Stuart Ewen have been researching the origins of stereotyping for almost a decade. Their new book, Typecasting: On the Arts and Sciences of Human Inequality traces the use of this tool of social scientists and racists throughout modern society. Comprised of a series of encyclopedic essays addressing the influence of science, pop culture and history, the book reveals the blueprints for how racial and ethnic perception and misperception has been perpetrated in various cultures. In this interview, the duo Ewen discuss how the global media in general, and even designers, continue the practice of stereotyping—knowingly or not.

Heller: Why when we discuss stereotyping is it used as a pejorative? Isn't there anything positive about defining and generalizing the distinctions of humankind?


Ewen
: The variety of humankind is something to celebrate. As Stephen Jay Gould and other leading biologists have argued, there are no ideal types in nature, but only variety. Each group is defined by diversity within the group. In stereotyping, however, distinctions are used in ways that divide people against one another. Stereotypes reduce people to simplistic “types” and invite us to make invidious comparisons between “us” and “them,” “civilization” and “savagery,” “good” and “evil,” “superior” and “inferior,” and so on.

People think of stereotyping in a pejorative way because many of what we call “stereotypes” portray particular groups of people in one-dimensional and degrading ways, robbing them of their humanity. Stereotypical images themselves have no consequence unless they play a role in the ways people see the world and live their lives. Many people think of stereotyping as a negative partly because stereotyping has played such a conspicuous role in reinforcing patterns of social inequality.

Heller: But are all stereotypes negative?


Ewen
: Actually, not all stereotypes are negative. We know this from the media, where both heroes and villains are most often stereotyped to make them easily identifiable. In politics, they are often employed to communicate honesty, nobility or heroism, even where none may exist. When George Bush’s handlers chose Mount Rushmore as the site where the president would announce the “War on Terror” in the summer of 2002, they placed photographers in a position where pictures Bush would necessarily include Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt in the background. Through visual means, Bush’s image team was relying on well-worn stereotypes of leadership to encircle the president and his message with an aura of greatness. In a complex and dangerous world, the allure of the simple is addictive. But the habits of typecasting offer us little wisdom.

Heller: Typecasting ethnic, racial, and social images is as common as the air we breathe. Media has made, as you note in your subtitle, an art and science out of stereotyping. But you also note that this has its roots in printing—indeed the term stereotype is derived from letterpress mats. Was there any kind of stereotyping before the advent of the printing press?


Ewen
: Defining people according to simplified categories dates back to antiquity, and is probably an intrinsic part of human cultures. Traditional myths, rituals and dramas routinely employed identifiable types, but they usually symbolized different aspects of humanity overall.

The printing press made these distinctions reproducible, and stereotype became a metaphor for mass-produced images and concepts of difference. Printing, it should be added, was a technology that took hold when European countries were becoming global colonial powers and where densely populated cities were on the rise. In this context, simplified categories were increasingly applied to conquered people as an explanation for why they were born to serve or be annihilated. In cities, stereotypes became useful for characterizing strangers, and were most often employed to define different elements among the lower classes. What was once about common human qualities was transformed into a mechanism that denied the idea of common humanity, and served the interests of social injustice. The ability to mass produce ideas of inequality, and market these ideas on a global scale, has made the problem of stereotyping particularly acute.

Heller: You indicate that typecasting derives from the need to create social and caste hierarchies. Why was it so important to have these differences among people?


Ewen
: With the rise of democratic ideas, traditional ideas about the God-given differences that justified social hierarchy fell into disfavor. By the late 18th century, the “Divine Right of Kings” or the idea of “Papal Infallibility” were being challenged by the ideas of “natural rights,” “popular sovereignty” and human “inequality.” While traditional hierarchies fought back, new caste systems arose in the shadow of democracy. These used “scientific” tools as an argument for social difference, as a line of defense designed to maintain social and economic inequities. A scientific stamp of approval now certified dividing humanity into simple, unequal categories according to race, gender and economic status. In the 19th and 20th centuries, this tendency accelerated and many of these simple categories became the basic vocabulary of popular culture.

Heller: You write: "Although feudal power was often held and defended by the sword its was justified by the word." What are the key words (and images)?


Ewen
: In feudalism, the key words were ostensibly the words of God. The idea of original sin became justification for the hard work and suffering of the peasantry, while the nobility (Lords) and clergy were portrayed as standing closer to God, as God’s human representatives on earth. In ecclesiastical interpretations of the Bible, and in church iconography, distinctions between wealth and poverty were routinely portrayed as God’s way. The outlook of ordinary people was unacknowledged. The Bible, itself, was available in the secret code of Latin, and any translation of the Bible into a commonly spoken tongue was punishable by death.

Heller: The science of physiognomy was developed to help classify human types. I remember seeing, around the facade of the Library of Congress, about two-dozen images arranged according to places on the globe showing the physical distinctions of races. Has this celebration of different traits contributed to the sense of inequality that is so present in the world today?


Ewen: It really depends on what those images were designed to convey and the cultural baggage that viewers bring to them. Stereotypes are culturally conditioned reflexes that we carry around in our heads. To a large extent, they shape how we will define other people even before we see them. In the media, and in the theatre of politics and power, stereotypes are routinely employed to stir up public emotions while systematically sidestepping thought. Within each of us, the history of dominant ideas has left indelible marks. Nowhere is this truer than in the stereotypes that form and interfere with our capacity to comprehend the world we live in.

Stereotypes are the footprints of history, culture and power running through our minds. So, the ways these images will be seen depends a lot on the eye, and mind, of the beholder. Depending on when these images were installed in the Library of Congress, the artists’ eyes and minds are also relevant. At the American Museum of Natural History, for example, many of the representations of distinct human types were intended by curators (well into the 1950s) to express ideas that connected distinction to ideas of inequality.

Heller: Science and art are usually distinguished—stereotypically—with one being objective and the other aesthetic truth. How did this come to be? Wasn't art typically at once objective, idealistic and aesthetic?


Ewen
: With the emergence of optical science in Europe, inspired by the 10th century work of the Arab scholar Alhazen, the idea of “Truth” moved from being an unknowable mystery, to something that could be the discovered by anyone through careful observation. The eye, particularly when assisted by technical devices (microscope, telescope, camera obscura), became the central tool of knowing. There was no clear distinction between artist and scientist, all were attempting to use optical information to describe and explain the world as it is.

In that sense, Leonardo was not such an exception. Not that he wasn’t a great artist, but that his combination of painting, invention and his discourses on optics and other sciences was not uncommon among people who today are defined primarily as artists. Similarly, many men of science were engaged in painting and drawing. During this period scientific truth and aesthetic truth were inseparable.

Heller: What is the role of photography in all this?


Ewen
: Photography, probably more than any other development, drove science and art apart from one another. Now that a technical device could be used to reach a precision that no painter could achieve, painters and sculptors moved away from a search for the objective, and started exploring those aspects of visual life that were not so readily seen. Aesthetics became more of a psychological category, while science continued to claim objectivity as its goal.

Heller: In writing about the history of stereotyping, you argue that much of what we know today is based on the development of technology. The printing press is one, but say more about photography? How has this changed the way human beings were perceived?


Ewen
: Beyond what’s been already said, it should be added that the rise of photography offered a powerful tool for communicating ideas of human difference. In the 19th century, the emerging fields of physical anthropology, criminology, psychology, sociology and a range of other social sciences, routinely relied on supposed photographic evidence to illustrate (with appropriate captions) the look of normalcy and degeneracy. The idea of the inborn “criminal type,” for example, was buttressed by photography. The book has numerous of pictures that put meat on the bones of this development.

Heller: It seems as though typecasting is a "western" phenomenon. That it wasn't practiced in non-Christian countries. Hence, the color white has been depicted as pure, whereas brown or black have more negative connotations. You note that from white, other colors are possible, but from brown or black, white cannot be broken down. Is this the basis for white superiority?


Ewen
: No. The idea of white superiority was the outcome of the rise of a modern-world system dominated by European colonial powers. It’s been said that behind every fortune lies a crime. The idea of white superiority, which led to the notion that all others should be subdued, was one of the crimes that led to Europe as a magnet for the world’s wealth.

On the other hand, if you look at the work of Joachim Winckelmann, the founder of Art History and Archeology, or Johann Blumenbach, the founder of racial science, both used arguments about white purity and the lower status of darker colors. Blumenbach saw darkness as a sign of degeneration from the original pristine state of humanity. He believed that the origin of humanity was found in the foothills of the Caucasus (he coined the word Caucasian). As some of these perfectly white people began to migrate from this unspoiled place of birth, he maintained, carboniferous deposits built up under their skins, giving rise to darker and less perfect varieties of mankind.

Heller: I have long collected ethnic and racial stereotypes in popular and advertising art. I've notice that as in all advertising, simplified human traits are used to identify a demographic. But how do these types, when presented to the public, affect perception? Are even benign stereotypes bad?


Ewen
: Images in isolation are neither malignant nor benign. Perception is a culturally and historically shaped interaction that takes place between people and the world as they see it. The historical source of the images in question, and the “repertory of fixed impressions” (to quote Walter Lippmann) that people bring to them, will help us to decide whether stereotypes impede or enhance our ability to see ourselves in other people.

Heller: Not all stereotypes are benign. There is often an agenda to enslave or degrade others though stereotypical depiction. Certainly, you make a lot of eugenics—the highly popular pseudo-science (much touted by the Nazis but also the British, Americans and French) that distinguishes between inferior and superior human beings. Eugenics exponents also proposed sterilization and worse of inferiors. Does this negative notion pervade all uses of stereotyping?


Ewen
: The inner core of much stereotyping is made up of race hatred mixed with sexual taboo. Denying other people’s humanity is often a way of trying to preserve one’s own sense of identity, particularly if it is shaped by nationality, ethnicity, race or sexual orientation. The most persistent stereotypes of the past three centuries are those that portray the brutish “other” who is consumed with a desire to run off with “our women.” Racial, ethnic, national and/or sexual belief systems require taboos against all forms of sexuality that might throw that universe into question. In the case of race, for example, the routine crossing of sexual boundaries would, in time, do eradicate the very idea of race. While this might benefit the future of humanity, many people hold dearly to the idea of “otherness” because it serves as the unfortunate cornerstone of their sense of “self.”

Heller: What would you say is the worst use of stereotyping in 20th century history and what have been its long-term effects?

Ewen
: There are too many to say. But in all cases, worst uses of stereotype are those that justify murder and genocide. This was the case before the 20th century as well, where labeling others as “savages” or “degenerates” was often a prologue to slaughter. This worst-case scenario continues in the 21st century as well.

Figures


Fig. 1. Lavater8 In 1775 Johann Lavater, a Swiss Protestant minister, published Essays on Physiognomy. The multi-volume work introduced the science of physiognomy, the ability to understand the correlation between physical beauty and moral beauty, physical ugliness and moral turpitude. His aesthetic hierarchy of humankind was enormously popular among Europeans, including luminaries like Goethe and William Blake. In this page from an 1810 edition of Lavater's work, he explains that physiognomy reveals that the democratic ideal of "Liberty" is not suited to a world where people are essentially unequal.

Fig. 2. Denison series During a period when a number of influential black people were providing an articulate argument against racism and slavery, and publishing newspapers decrying dominant ideas about African Americans, mainstream white culture was creating minstrelsy, an entertainment that reinforced pro-slavery views of blacks as lazy, foolish, and submissive.

Fig. 3. Our Defective Jury System This cartoon (circa 1915) is an anxious response to the large number of immigrants and free blacks that had transformed the ethnic landscape of the United States in the decades following the end of the Civil War. While democracy was fine for Anglo-Americans, or "Nordics" as they defined themselves, this caricature of "Our Defective Jury System" presents a picture of immigrants and blacks as innately incapable of exercising the rights of citizenship. Underneath the humor, lay a core of hate and violence.

As this cartoon was published, a virulent anti-immigrant movement was on the march, eventually leading to the closing of immigration to most foreigners (Italians, Jews, Slavs, Japanese, et al) when the Johnson Act of 1924 was passed by the U.S. Congress. Simultaneously, Jim Crow laws and a reign of white terror, ensured that African-American citizens were not represented on juries (or in voting booths) throughout much of the country.

In all cases, people whose labors had helped transform America into a global powerhouse, had the door closed in their faces when they looked for their piece of the "American Dream" that they had helped to build.

To what extent does the present-day anti-immigrant commotion smack of the same kind national duplicity?

Fig. 4. Image from a children's book commissioned by Gestapo head Reinhard Heydrich The fear of race-mixing stands at the heart of much stereotyping; the notion that a group's pure and superior identity is threatened by racial "pollution." This image, from a children's book commissioned by Gestapo head Reinhard Heydrich, depicts the Jews' degenerate lust for the pristine women of the Aryan Race. Underlying this illustration for children were plans to exterminate all Jews, therefore insuring that the Aryan gene pool would not be sullied by the taint of Jewish blood. Defining a group as "degenerate" is often the first step towards mass murder and machineries of forced sterilization.

About the Author: Steven Heller, co-chair of MFA "Designer As Author" at School of Visual Arts, is the author of Merz to Emigre and Beyond: Avant Garde Magazine Design of the Twentieth Century (Phaidon Press), The Education of a Comics Artist co-edited with Michael Dooley (Allworth Press), The Education of a Graphic Designer, Second Edition and The Education of an Art Director (with Veronique Vienne) (Allworth Press), and Stylepedia with Louise Fili (Chronicle Books). http://www.hellerbooks.com

  1. link to this comment by Craig Schlanser Wed Dec 06, 2006

    Even when the media's portrayal of a certain group isn't meant to be negative, I sometimes wonder if the disproportionate use of a "type" feeds into people's pre-conceived--and often harmful--views.

    Take the use of gays on T.V. shows. I'm glad that it's finally acceptable, and indeed, vogue, to have openly gay characters on T.V., but many of these characters conform to age-old stereotypes.

    I'm greatful for interviews like this, because as image-makers and communicators, i think it's important for us to challenge these distorted views of reality--past and present.

  2. link to this comment by Clare Ultimo Thu Dec 07, 2006

    I was happy to see this interview on the AIGA site. Stuart's work has informed many a graphic designer, including myself and continues to be a source of historic reference that we just can't do without. I love this book. Any serious designer, graphic or not, would really benefit from it.

    Stuart remains passionate about public discourse and dialogue and has given a great deal of energy to keep the channels open and honest in every way he can. I have been studying with him in the Hunter MFA program he created...an enlightening experience to say the least.

    Thanks for this interview. I'm hoping there's an AIGA event in the works where he can participate in a dialogue with designers and discuss the book in more depth.

  3. link to this comment by Dyske Suematsu Thu Dec 07, 2006

    In this interview, the emphasis is placed on the act of differentiation, but differentiation and non-differentiation are two sides of the same coin; in one act, both concepts operate simultaneously. To speak of “otherness” as something inherently negative would only lead to confusion, which in turn leads to misuse or abuse of stereotype.

    As an infant, we have no conception of “self” and therefore no conception of “otherness”. Little by little, we learn where “self” and “otherness” begin and end. And it takes a lifetime to discover who this “self” really is, and what “otherness” (i.e. “the world”) is. There is nothing wrong with “holding dearly to the idea of ‘otherness’.” In fact, if we didn’t, we would not be able to function as human beings.

    “Chinese, Japanese, Korean; What’s the difference?” This statement could come from someone who has no respect for these Asian cultures, and what is potentially offensive is the fact that he makes no distinction. He cares so little about these cultures that he does not even know what stereotypical qualities of each culture is. In this example, the lack of stereotypes, or non-distinction, is used to offend.

    “Women are physically weaker than men.” This is a stereotype about women. If someone were to find this offensive, it is because it makes a distinction between men and women (pits one group against another), and at the same time makes no distinction among individual women. So, both forces (distinction and non-distinction) are operating simultaneously in this single offense. Focusing on one but not the other would blind you from seeing what the real problem is.

    One group can always be subdivided. Christians and Muslims can be divided. And it is possible to formulate an offensive statement using this division. For instance, a Christian person saying that Muslims are terrorists. This uses distinction between Christians and Muslims, and non-distinction among individual Muslims. But we can further divide various Christian religions, and pit one against another. As we continue subdividing, eventually we reach the point of individuals. Now, one might assume that an individual is a point at which stereotyping becomes inapplicable. It is not so.

    When we describe who someone is, we tend to choose descriptions that are obvious. Those descriptions are in fact stereotypes of that person. No one can behave absolutely consistently from situation to situation, and we all change over time. So, when we describe a person, we must resort to using characteristics that appear relatively consistently and obviously, and ignore those that are inconsistent and subtle. This is the same process of stereotyping at work. In this manner, there is no end to dividing. We can always make further divisions and distinctions. And, at every stage, it is possible to abuse stereotypes.

    Our ability to form stereotypes is in fact enabling us to use our language. Every definition of every word is a stereotype. “Chairs have four legs.” That’s a stereotype. “Frogs are green.” That’s a stereotype. “Women have a uterus.” That again is a stereotype. The only difference is that some stereotypes (or definitions) are more probable than others. (e.g. A woman having a uterus is more probable than a chair having four legs.) In some cases it is virtually 100% probability, while in other cases, it is less than 50%. And, in some cases, the stereotype (or the definition) could be completely wrong (0% probability).

    This leads us to the core of the problem. What we need to keep in mind is that a stereotype is a statistical concept. As such, it does not predict anything about the individual samples. “Women are physically weaker than men,” is statistically correct, and this statistical knowledge can be beneficial in certain situations. But when you are dealing with individual women, we must realize that it does not describe them. All we can know is the probability, but a probability of a characteristic is not itself a characteristic. Abuse of stereotype and abuse of statistics operate the same way, and they are essentially one and the same problem.

    It is also important to realize that we are actually designed to be prejudiced. Contrary to the popular belief, we do not learn or be conditioned to be prejudiced. The way our memories work is already predisposed to being prejudiced. In our brains, we strengthen certain connections physically through repetition. Once strong connections are made in our brains through frequent occurrences of similar things, any new things we perceive thereafter are drawn to those strong connections, like the way more cars are drawn to highways. This is the cause of many prejudices, racial or otherwise. We are predisposed to being racists; so we must make conscious effort to avoid it. In this sense, the older we get, the more prejudiced we become, especially if we don’t make any conscious effort.

    Stereotype is a powerful tool that can be used positively or negatively. It is like a gun that could be used to kill or save lives. Studying examples of stereotypes, and labeling them good or bad, doesn’t help us much because the cause and the effect do not have consistent relationships in stereotypes. A good cause does often lead to a good effect, and a bad one to a bad one, but a good cause could also have a bad effect, and vice versa. Furthermore, a bad effect for some could be a good effect for others. (e.g. The stereotype of Blacks being good at basketball has a mixed effect.) The only thing that we can do is to understand how stereotype works. And, we must do this with an unprejudiced attitude towards what stereotype is.

  4. link to this comment by Dyske Suematsu Fri Dec 08, 2006

    I don’t think my previous post was long enough, so I’m going to add more, especially since the last paragraph is a bit too abstract.

    Stereotype being a statistical concept, collecting examples of them and studying patterns and similarities, and categorizing them, leads to yet another stereotype: stereotype of stereotypes. Now, the same problems associated with stereotypes apply here; whatever characteristics you discover about stereotypes, do not predict anything about the individual cases (again, only the probability.). If you do project the patterns or general characteristics to individual cases, you become guilty of the same crime you criticize in others.

    The controversial book “The Bell Curve” is a case in point. It has all the usual signs of racism, and it smells like eugenics, so everyone attacked the authors like they were Nazis. This kind of behavior does not help. It makes everyone feel fearful of openly and constructively debating and discussing the issue.

    This is why I feel it is important that we do not focus on judging individual cases of stereotypes. Our focus should be on understanding how prejudice works. As difficult as it may be to put aside moral judgment in studying of stereotypes, if we can’t recognize our own prejudice, it would cloud our view in seeing what it is and how it works.

  5. link to this comment by Steven heller Fri Dec 08, 2006

    The word "stereotype," though originally a printing term in currency until the demise of letterpress printing, has, like many other originally benign terms, become charged with negative meaning. While a stereotype itself may be intrinscially good or bad, the implication in the current social, racial, and ethnic melieu is certainly loaded. The Ewens' book astutely addresses the reasons for this prevailing "cast" of the word - and deed - in a dark light.

    Do not, however, confuse "Women with uterus" as a stereotype. It is an anatomical description. To say that certain wome singled out for having a certain kind of uterus would be the stereotype.

    I agree that understanding how prejudice works is paramount. BUT understanding how stereotypes are tools of prejudice (and other kinds of profiling) is just as key.

  6. link to this comment by Dyske Suematsu Fri Dec 08, 2006

    Hi Steven,

    I must disagree with you. Not realizing that “description” and “stereotype” are one and the same mechanism is exactly what leads to social problems.

    “To say that certain women singled out for having a certain kind of uterus would be the stereotype.”

    The process of “singling out” is inherently negative. So, in the above statement, you are implying that stereotype is inherently negative. This is simply not true. “Singling out” is a specific use of stereotype or description. The use is not the same as the stereotype itself. If you confuse these two, you will blind yourself from seeing what the real problem is. Instead of blaming the usage, you will end up blaming the tool.

    Any stereotype or description can be used positively or negatively. When we use a description of something negatively, we tend to call it “stereotype” and when it is value-neutral or positive, we tend to call it “description.” To say that these two are separate things, would blind us from seeing that the same tool has both potentials, and the underlying mechanism is actually the same.

    In the mass media, we often see stereotypes used with no negative intentions, but regardless of their intentions, they could have a negative impact on a certain group of people. For instance, in advertising, Asian people are often pictured shaking hands with White and Black people in suits to convey an “international” business relationship. Many would consider this as a positive image, but for Asian Americans who are as American as any other Americans, these types of image reinforce the impression that Asian people are “foreign”. The people who came up with this piece of advertising had no bad intentions. They might have even had good intentions. It would not occurred to them, therefore, to use the term “stereotype” to describe what they are using.

    This is precisely the danger. Not realizing that “description” and “stereotype” work the same way would blind these advertising people from seeing that their use of “description” can potentially harm certain groups of people.

  7. link to this comment by Dyske Suematsu Fri Dec 08, 2006

    Let’s also keep in mind that, for an anti-Semite, the Jewish people being greedy and cunning is not a “stereotype”; to him it is merely a description of what Jewish people are. It is precisely because one is blind to one’s own prejudice that one chooses to use the word “description”.

    Especially when we do advertising and graphic design, it is helpful to keep in mind that what you consider as a value-neutral “description” can potentially harm certain groups of people. In the example I gave above, I am not criticizing anyone using Asian people to visually describe “international” business. It is not possible to avoid all conflicts of interest. What makes one group of people happy can at the same time make another group unhappy. Politicians are keenly aware of this phenomenon. However, it makes a big difference when you actually consider the potential harm, and weigh the cost and benefit. In most cases, we are not even aware of the fact that we are harming or hurting certain groups of people. In this sense, it is helpful to consider all “descriptions” (textual or visual) as “stereotypes,” because the latter term draws attention to the potential danger in what we are doing.

  8. link to this comment by Joe Moran Tue Dec 12, 2006

    Great topic.

    I instantly thought of this very cute song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q80m6zjCyIE

    For people who are offended by the word racist, please substitute "different" in your brain while listening.

    VR/

  9. link to this comment by Daniel Green Wed Dec 13, 2006

    This is a very good topic to wrestle with, and I appreciate it being posted here.

    However...

    Steve, you write, "It seems as though typecasting is a "western" phenomenon. That it wasn't practiced in non-Christian countries."

    Really??

    So...the caste system in part of Asia isn't a form of typecasting? So...ethnic tensions in Africa are not fueled with forms of typecasting?

    We need to be brutally honest in the West regarding our own history of typecasting. It is the only way we can begin to deal with the problems it causes. But let's not stereotype the West as the root of all stereotypes.

  10. link to this comment by Steven heller Wed Dec 13, 2006

    Daniel -

    You are right. The caste systems in non-Western countries (and in Western countries too) are indeed beds of typecasting that are ingrained into the social fabric. Thanks for the clarification.

  11. link to this comment by Gunnar Swanson Fri Dec 22, 2006

    A picky aside from the topic (but, perhaps, central to the role of graphic design in power relations):

    "the nobility (Lords) and clergy were portrayed as standing closer to God, as God’s human representatives on earth. In ecclesiastical interpretations of the Bible, and in church iconography, distinctions between wealth and poverty were routinely portrayed as God’s way."

    The common pattern was the reverse. The powerful were not shown as close to God. God was shown as close to the powerful. Images of Christ from the early days of Christianity almost invariably show him as a shepherd. Images of Christ the King became the norm later, in the era of the power of kings. You can make a good guess about the location of an image from the years after the move of the Roman capital to Constantinople. The ones from the west have Jesus dressed in the garb of the Pope and the ones from the east show him wearing the trappings of the Eastern Emperor.

  12. link to this comment by Stuart Ewen Tue Dec 26, 2006

    Re Gunnar's comment. Yes, God was shown as close to the powerful. And vice versa. The mornarchization of Jesus has been a central topic in recent studies of the Gnostic Gospels, discovered in Egypt in the 1940s. According to these, the Gospels of Philip, Mary (Magdeline), et al, Jesus was most often referred to as "teacher," a man of his community, and never as Christ or son of God in the early years of Christianity.

    Turning the cosmos into a monarchy served the interests of hierarchy by naturalizing them.

    BTW, I"m glad this topic is stirring discussion. That is the aim of our book as well.

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